-DATE- 19870115 -YEAR- 1987 -DOCUMENT_TYPE- SPEECH -AUTHOR- F. CASTRO -HEADLINE- 53D PLENUM OF CTC WORKERS PLENUM -PLACE- LAZARO PENA THEATER IN HAVANA -SOURCE- HAVANA TELE-REBELDE NET -REPORT_NBR- FBIS -REPORT_DATE- 19870128 -TEXT- CASTRO ADDRESS TO 53D CTC WORKERS' PLENUM 14 JAN PA161300 Havana Tele-Rebelde Network in Spanish 2300 GMT 15 Jan 87 [Speech by Fidel Castro to close the 53d plenum of the National Council of the Central Organization of Cuban Trade-Unions, CTC, at the Lazaro Pena Theater in Havana on 14 January -- recorded] [Text] [Applause] Well, I am going to imitate Comrade Machado and remain seated. I am really not very sure. whether Comrade Machado wanted me to come because he believed my presence would be useful or if my dear Comrade Machado wanted to save himself the task of closing this event. [crowd laughs] It was really up to him to close it. However, as he explained, it seems that there are many activities at the beginning of the year. I learned about several of them this year. For example, I learned that the party meeting would take place early in the year, I do not remember. I believe that it was on Wednesday of last week. When was the party meeting? On 7 January? Was that on Friday? Correct. Then I learned that the FEU [Federation of University Students] meeting would be held. I had meant for a long time to attend the FEU meeting. However, I did not have fresh news about this congress. It was perhaps mentioned that this council would be held. I learned recently through Machado that it would be held. I had another engagement, other obligations. However, I made it a point of being here with you if only for a while because of the importance I believe this meeting has and the enormous importance of the role of trade unions and workers in this process of rectification. On the other hand, I do not have as many new things -- as Machado believes -- to add to the matters I have been setting forth here this afternoon. Moreover, I generally do not like to make closing speeches, or even if they are not closing events, to speak extensively at events in which we have not been able to participate in all the details and events to have a good grasp on the overall problem. I did receive a report, a summary, that Comrade Machado sent with all the things that were discussed. I also came an hour early. I chatted with them -- with Veiga, Penalver, Machado, and Linares -- about the things that were discussed and the fundamental matters. I believe that I should not discuss that either, because those fundamental matters -- structure, emulation, some of the things that were also discussed here -- were already discussed by you in detail and the corresponding documents have already been approved. Therefore, I will add some general things. I believe that the revolution is experiencing a very important moment. It is very important. I told the students that I believe that this is a moment of historical change and of historical leap. I say historical change in the sense that we are correcting the course. We were straying off course; we were sailing poorly. We were going to run against very serious obstacles, and we are correcting course. It is not a 180-degree change. However, it is an important change, of course. We are rectifying things to sail better and advance better to prevent serious problems in the construction of socialism and even serious political problems, because we were weakening the revolution. Therefore, it is a moment of historical change and -- as I have told students -- a moment of a historical leap, a qualitative leap. More than a historical leap, it is a leap in revolutionary work. It is not a matter of looking for phrases, of looking for a word to characterize or define a situation, for the sake of looking for a word. Nothing is gained by saying that this is a moment of historical change and making that a slogan. It is a moment of historical change if we understand the problem and work consistently in that direction, attempting not to stray off course. If within 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years we forget everything and change course again, there will not be a moment of historical change. I believe that a very important factor in this effort we are making is the idea of the seriousness of this effort and of the continuity of this effort. Veiga was telling me that some people believe that this is a matter of 2, 3, 4, or 5 months; and that when another problem emerges, we will devote ourselves to the other problems, and this will be forgotten. He told us about people who cheat. I am not talking about workers, but about administrative officers, about administrators who cheat. Many of them just make a token effort; for example, they only go so far when it comes to overfulfillment of production quotas -- we discussed this already, and we gave very clear and precise examples. In other cases, there are amounts of money that are distributed incorrectly: They parcel out the money, paying once, twice, or three times instead of paying it all at once. Sometimes they report that they worked for more hours than they really did, and...[Castro stops to ask someone: "Saturdays too, no?]. Anyway, I do not think these are deviations; I think these are disloyal actions. These action are not mistakes; they are antisocial, criminal activities because they want to deceive us. It is true that at some point the revolution has had to emphasize certain things. These years have forced the revolution to emphasize greatly the defense of the revolution. Since we have had this arrogant and aggressive U.S. Administration, and faced serious dangers, we had to multiply our efforts in the defense of the country. It was the most important thing. We could say that the number one concern in this period has been to guarantee the revolution's security, the revolution's survival, the defense of the revolution. This was the number one problem we had, so I think that among all the activities we could carry out, this was the most important one. If we do not have a fatherland and a revolution, we cannot rectify our errors. It is true that part of our attention centered on that and continues to be centered on that activity. I do not mean that now we have abandoned those problems, those issues. Furthermore, today we can concentrate in rectifying all the things that we have done wrong. We can fight against all negative tendencies because all our efforts, the great efforts made by the entire Cuban people to strengthen the revolution and to guarantee its security, gave us this opportunity. They allowed us to concentrate in the process of rectification and struggle agains negative tendencies. If we had not guaranteed the physical security of the revolution, we would now be endangering its political and moral security, and its moral and ideological integrity. If this had not been the case, we would have been winning a battle on one side and losing another on the other side. It is also true that we had some idea, some indication about those problems. Some things seemed a bit strange to us, but I do not know how we did not become aware of those problems immediately. I think there was a small dose of deceit. Figures and information were manipulated. At first, we thought those problems were part of the introduction of new methods and mechanisms, but that in one way or the other those problems would be overcome. Reality proved that instead of overcoming the problems the problems worsened and that it was not simply a matter of making mistakes, but a problem of conceptions. There were also ideological problems and reactionary beliefs. It was very clear that for many people this system has turned into a way of solving problems with money. The political perspective was losing ground. Voluntary work had become a thing of the past; solidarity and mass methods to solve problems were being left in the past; the style was becoming bureaucratic and, in my opinion, there were ideas that were truly reactionary. As I said recently, they were even counterrevolutionary, though these individuals did not realize that they were harboring ideas that were actually counterrevolutionary. That is, there were diverting the revolution from its courses and had this erroneous concept, the absurd, ridiculous reactionary idea among the most reactionary that a revolution, that construction of socialism, was a matter of mechanisms that work efficiently and not the idea that the construction of... [corrects himself] that it is essential to have a party task to build revolution, to construct socialism, to make the country rise from underdevelopment, and to construct a prosperous, developed economy. As I said recently in the meeting with the cadres of Havana, this idea implied a denial of the party's role in the direction of the revolution and in the construction of socialism. One day, Comrade Machado told me that in a conversation with one of these theoreticians, he told them: If everything is resolved in that way, then what is the party's role? That was a plain truth. We talked about that in the little debate that we had here this afternoon. We have seen that the organizational problem that our comrade talked about does not appear spontaneously. They must be settled by the party, by the ORG... [corrects himself] the trade unions and mass organizations in addition to the administration. The administration must play its role. As I said, we must make sure that our administrators have a communist attitude, a communist mind, and a communist concept of the revolution of the administration. Let's call it socialist, although the word should be communist. The administrators should have a truly socialist concept of economy. There should never be any contradiction between the interests of a manufacturing plant and those of the country. There should never be any contradictions between the interests of the workers of a plant and those of society. Because that commonly occurs under capitalism, the constant contradictions in capitalism. Under capitalism the workers own nothing and the group of workers works on projects. But the workers cannot function as in a cooperative, as a group of collective owners of a manufacturing plant. Workers own all the manufacturing plants. They share the interests of all the workers that all the country's manufacturing plants function well, as well as all the schools and services, not just their own plants. It is to the workers' benefit that all of the country's economy be profitable in a general, not partial, sense. Workers want the economy to be efficient and revenues to get higher, not only for a manufacturing plant's workers, but for all the workers. The workers also want a truly fair distribution system that applies the socialist principles we have agreed upon and are trying to implement. In other words, each worker should contribute according to his ability and be paid according to his performance. However, we want this principle to be fully applied -- no privileges of any kind. We cannot hold divisive stances. That belonged to capitalism. Workers had no other choice than to try to get a higher salary, regardless of the cost. If they worked in a bank, they tried to get a higher salary, they did not care what happened to the rest of the economy. The same happened with those who worked in chemistry plants, refineries, and transportation. The other workers unions in capitalist society are forced to meet their individual or group interests. In socialism, we cannot according to this concept. We have, we need, administrators who have a truly revolutionary, socialist vision -- who have a communist attitude. We must not rest until we achieve this. This does not mean the administrator will be in charge of efficiently organizing everything. He will be in charge of political problems. This is within the scope of his economic work. The party must become organized with the support of mass organizations. This is the truth. We will not set up an integral brigade. We will not set up that brigade that was spoken about there. Nothing will be resolved if the party does not intervene. Where capitalism is a society stemming from the blind laws of competition and supply and demand, socialism is a rational society that must be designed, planned, and built. It will never be subject to blind laws. There will be laws on building socialism, but these laws will not be blind or create and organize a society by themselves. Instead these laws must be interpreted and applied by men. This is what building socialism is. It cannot be conceived without planning, without projections and man's conscious work, without a vanguard or leadership assuming the historical responsibility of advancing the revolutionary process and building a new society. For this reason, we have stressed that these economic mechanisms and this material stimulus, profitability -- that is, all these mechanisms -- serve as helpers of the party and of the political, ideological, and revolutionary work to build socialism. For this reason, I said we had to determine how we were using those mechanisms and how to truly use efficient mechanisms to help the political work and the work of building socialism. Political work is becoming more and more important. In fact, it is very important in building socialism. As Marx once said, socialism is still far from being a totally just and perfect society. He said socialism and the socialist formula have not transcended the narrow boundaries of bourgeois law. This is because some men are more competent than others; some men are stronger and more resistant than others; some men have fewer needs than others; and the founders of scientific socialism aimed to build a society in which each person contributed according to his abilities and received according to his needs. A weak person having less energy or strength who cuts sugarcane or performs some other task will produce much less than someone in better physical condition. Another worker may get two or three times more; we have seen it here and we are not against it. Of course, it can never be said that in our society an individual gets three times more than another gets. If an individual receives three times as much, it is because he is contributing three times as much; that is why his wages are three times as much. That individual is making a contribution that will allow all citizens to receive a bit more also. If everyone produced what Reinaldo Castro does, everyone would make a greater contribution to society even if they were earning an amount three times larger. Not all the work that men do is rewarded in the form of wages. A large part of people's social work is distributed through services, especially educational service -- 1.7 billion pesos in our plan. Who provides that? Workers do. A worker who receives a salary three times as much as another worker because he works three times more than the other, is making a contribution to the educational services of the country equivalent to that of three men; he is contributing three times as much. If services are paid with revenues from sugar, from our wealth, and various other kinds of revenues, this worker is not merely getting three times more than the total of his work or three times greater than another worker. He is receiving three times as much as others. However, many other people are getting the benefits as a result of the first men's work. At the hospital, for example, a man who receives very expensive surgery that in the capitalist world would cost 10,000, 20,000 or 30,000 [currency not specified]; or a man who gets a heart transplant both get much more than the first man because he received 100,000 pesos, or 10 or 20,000 [as heard]. Another example is when a worker or a family get a house. He obtained a house. Many others will have to wait years, many years, to get a house. Society provided a house to him almost at cost and turned him into a proprietor with a minimum salary at very low interest. That man is getting more than another who did not obtain a house. Suddenly, he obtains something worth 7,000 or 8,000 [currency not specified], which would cost 25,000 or 30,000 [currency not specified] in the capitalist world. If the man sells it for 40,000, how much would he be getting? That man was able to obtain that house as a result of everyone's work, particularly the work of the most productive people, of the vanguards, of the work heroes; and is actually not receiving goods worth three times as much as another. He is getting a salary three times larger than another, but he contributed three times as much to defend the country, the defense expenditures, domestic matters, research, and the country's economic development. That man contributed three times as much to build the electronuclear system, the refineries, to agricultural development, and the dams; yet he did not necessarily get three times as many benefits as another. He did get benefits through his salary, but he did not receive back the total effort he contributed. Therefore, according to socialist theory, that man is making an important contribution to society. However, the compensation system is not totally just; it is not a totally solidary (solidario) system, not a communist system. That man may be getting a greater salary and perhaps needs only half of the salary another man gets -- let us say one third -- assuming he is making an effort according to his capacity and his energy. That man may have greater needs than a man who has more money, and we are aware of it. You know that salary in some sectors of our workers is relatively low, especially if we have a woman who has three children and her qualifications allow her to work as a nurse's aid, a professor in a junior college, or at the university; but she is not allowed to work as a physician or a job with a relatively high income because she does not have better qualifications. This is why social security exists in the country. This is why there are thousands of people who get social aid or some help. You are also aware that retirement pensions are not the same. Some get 200 pesos, others 60, 70, 80 pesos. In this regard, our society is not yet a totally just society. The redistribution system is indeed just if judged by the process and the stage of the revolutionary development we are experiencing. This means that to have a communist man someday -- men capable of thinking in such solidary terms, of making contributions according to one's capabilities, and of getting benefits according to one's needs; and I see no way to ever reach this point -- we must develop the conscience and high morale, human, solidary, and political concepts. I do not see how we can accomplish this because this could encourage selfishness. I do not believe that the socialist thesis alone leads to communism. The socialist thesis can lead to egosim and to individualism if the individual is told every day only about what he is going to gain or what he is doing through his effort. In other words, the mere idea of a communist program -- the mere idea of a communist society as Marx, Engels, and Lenin defined it -- involves the need for enormous political work, deep political education, the creation and establishment of new values in man, and a vanguard party that will lead society down those paths. Therefore, neither socialism nor communism can be built without political and ideological work, without educating the new generations. If this is not done, we would have to admit that communism will never be built. We could admit that socialism will be built. In fact, we are building socialism. Not only are we building it; we have advanced noticeably. When I said that now we are really going to rebuild it, that does not mean that before we were not building it, but that we were not building it correctly. We have traveled an important stretch in the building of socialism, but we were straying from the path to build socialism. We were jeopardizing the political and ideological future of our revolutionary process. We were weakening it. I said: Now we will really build socialism. That is the expression of the conviction that we were building and will build socialism correctly this way. We will build socialism more quickly. [applause] I meant to say that we are on the correct path. I did this recalling that phrase when seven men with seven rifles assembled and I said: Now we really won the war. However, I did not only say it then. I said it later, at another time, with even more conviction. When after reaching a summit, we saw the mountains of Caracas with their forests and all, I said the same thing again: Now we really won the war. I meant: Now I am even more certain that we won it. However, I had not lost the idea that we were going to win the war. Moreover, only two rifles remained, three man and two rifles. No, no, I was convinced that we had made mistakes, that we had been swept by a crisis, but that our ideas were correct, that our assumptions were correct. History proved it later. However, I have also said that history is not the only supreme judge of a policy, to say what was correct or not. Sometimes a policy may be correct and fail. Sometimes men may have very correct ideas and die before they are able to carry them out, put them into practice -- that is, before being able to make it an idea of the masses, after which I would say it triumphs sooner or later. However, the fact that one is successful is not the measure of the justness of what one is doing. It is possible to have just ideas, just paths, and not succeed. There are invaluable factors that determine whether success is attained now or much later. Marti was not successful in seeing the independence of Cuba. He was not able to see the independence of Cuba. However, I will not discuss Marti, but Cespedes, before him, when the struggle for independence began. They had not succeeded after 10 years into the struggle. However, success cannot measure the justness of their ideas. The war of 1895 began; a great effort was made; and thanks to that effort, progress was made, if what we had attained can be called progress. In the end, we did not attain independence. We fell, and became a Yankee neocolony, a colony of a country that was stronger than Spain and had more subtle methods, not the method of direct colonization. It was worse because many of the values of our society declined during those years. We can say that the independent republic Marti was not obtained in 1901. However, that did not give anyone the right to say in 1910, 1920, or 1930 that the ideas of our rebels, of Marti, of our liberators were wrong, or that their path was mistaken. They were just ideas, which sooner or later crystallized. We cannot say that Mella's ideas were mistaken and judge them on the fact that Mella's ideas did not crystallize until 30 years later. What measures the justness of a cause is not success. Success can prove, and sometimes prove relatively soon, that the road was incorrect. That is how I, after we lost our troops, was sure that we were on the right path. We did not interpret that we were on the wrong path because we had a big defeat. We had simply made certain mistakes. Certain circumstances gave way to a serious defeat. I maintained my confidence. We always maintained our confidence in socialism. I never lost it. I know that we are building socialism. What I wanted to say...[changes thought] recalling that phrase and recalling culminating moments, moments of optimism, a moment in which I provided strength [insuflaba], I said again: This time we will build socialism. However, this did not imply that we were not already building socialism. We were building socialism [words indistinct]. At this point I am more convinced and surer that, surer that [repeats himself] we will build socialism. What I want to say is that now I am surer than ever that we know the type of socialism we will build. [applause] Sometimes you might think that you are building socialism and you are really building something else. If you are alienating people, drifting away from the ideology, thereby weakening socialism -- and there is no doubt that we are weakening it -- we are moving away from the path of socialism; at the end we no longer know what we have been building. It is surely something that is not socialism. From this point on we will start making reforms but if we are not careful we could end up in capitalism. I am sure that at peasant free markets the sale of frivolous items [mercachiflerias], the deviation of resources, the theft by workers of items for their private enterprises -- workers who did not fulfill their duties to the working centers because they preferred to work on their own and get a lot of money -- sellers of quack remedies [merolicos]; all these things did not lead to socialism, you can be sure of that. We were creating many rich people here, the consequences of which could be seen everywhere. Some people said: I will buy a house for 40,000, 70,000, or 80,000 [currency not given], I will buy this and that, etc. These actions did not lead to socialism. The peasant free market path in a country in which the problem was not a matter of small parcels of land, but of peasants who owned up to 60 hectares of land... [changes thought] only by planting a single hectare with garlic and selling it, and selling it [repeats himself] and selling a bulb of garlic at one peso in that market of thieves -- I said thieves because that market did not produce wealth for the people. The parallel market at least collects money for the people and permits many other things such as child care centers, better wages for certain people, and many other things... [changes thought] but those situations in which people got hold of how much, 50,000 pesos [as heard] for planting a bulb of garlic. You can imagine if that same individual also owned 50 hectares of land and planted potatoes and owned irrigated farms, even without a free market, that man became rich. So you can imagine what would happen if there was a free market! We used to have tens of thousands of peasants who owned 15, 20, 30, and 40 hectares of land. We were creating rich people with all the consequences that entails. We were creating inequalities of all kinds with all the consequences that entails. We were creating millionaires with all the consequences they brought. That is true, because other countries created peasant free markets with small pieces of land, but they said: Listen, I can have a small piece of land, it only has to be a tenth of a hectare. Those peasants said: If the free market gives me wheat, corn, farm products, and if I get products from cooperatives, I can raise 10,000 hens on one-tenth of a hectare. Then those peasants could say: Oh, what a good solution the free market is: Some 10,000 hens can be raised by a single man! Hogwash: If I use the resources provided by collective farms I can do many things on a small piece of land. Obviously, if I have to produce corn and cereals the hens on that small piece of land, I will not be able to raise more than 30 or 50 hens. I completely disagree with the creation of peasant free markets. Such a market is not applicable to a modern, socialist conception, or at least it does not fit my idea of socialism. I respect, I absolutely respect all those who have peasant free markets. I do not interfere with them and I do not criticize them, but I realized that the peasant free market was obstructing cooperatives. Our country does not have enough land. We have less than 0.6 hectares for every Cuban. Cuba has to produce billions [as heard] of tons of food for other countries -- sugar, citrus fruit, and others -- and has to produce food for its internal consumption with 0.6 hectares of land for every Cuban; it must be less than 0.6 hectares now because we are now 10,000,000 inhabitants in Cuba and I do not think that we have 0.6... [corrects himself] 6 million hectares of arable land in Cuba. We have about half a hectare for every Cuban and with that half a hectare this country has to produce millions of tons of sugar, citrus fruits, and other things, because history assigned us that task. The revolution did not receive an industrialized country, but an agricultural one, and an agricultural country cannot be transferred into an industrialized country in a few years. However, we have made great advances in the direction of the country's industrialization and the creation of conditions for its industrialization. This country needs farms; collective farms where we can use our plains the way we use them in our rice farms. We need large irrigation systems, combines to harvest the products, and a high productivity rate per man. In the sugarcane sector, we also need farms with a very high and well-applied technical level and with a maximum productivity per hectare. This is something we cannot do with a small property system. I have seen the problems we encounter every time we draft an important irrigation plan. We find 50 hours along the way, and we have to relocate people, and then move them back. You cannot build channels with a curve here and there. The channels have to follow a straight line, and this can only be done with large areas of land. We now know that this can only be done with large areas of land, state agricultural areas, and the relatively large areas of land used by the cooperatives. The cooperative movement was doing fine until the moment that a man who had a hectare of land was able to make a 20,000-peso profit by selling garlic, or any other product that was scarce on the market, or by selling at very high prices. Therefore, because of the inefficiency and problems in agricultural production, the cooperative movement did not develop. The man who was making a 50,000-peso profit with his farm did not join the cooperative system. One or two peasants with a high revolutionary awareness did join. We know of some who put aside their substantial profits and joined the cooperative movement. However, as a rule, the man would begin by building a huge mansion on his little piece of land. No one even told this man that if he joined the cooperative movement he would have electricity and a good home. He bought his material around the place. Building material has always been available. A man with 50,000 pesos is going to get the cement he needs. He may have bribed the man on the farm who had cement; he may have bribed a storekeeper who had cement, a truck driver carrying cement, a guard at a construction site, anyone at the construction site, or he may have bought the cement someone stole for any price he could. In this manner he built his big house. I wonder how many of you could get a man who has built this huge a house to join a cooperative. We realized that the process of a free peasant market was becoming an obstacle and that it was creating great inequalities. This had to be corrected. We could no longer tolerate the charlatans [merolicos], palming off their shoddy goods in any old way; and of course, the bureaucrats, those who cannot think about making an effort to fill a need in a correct manner, the way we are doing it today. Today we are not producing as many clothes hangers, but the hangers we are producing cover our needs. Back then they produced a few hangers, and we say them sell for a peso, a dollar, or whatever. There were also lazy men buying a bar of chocolate in Lenin Park selling the same chocolate at a much higher price elsewhere. One cannot fight this situation just by increasing the price of chocolate. A price cannot depend on the activities of lazy people, lumpen, and antisocial elements. All that one has to do is ban private business because business is a right of the socialist state. [applause] Business is a right and privilege of socialism, and if there is a profit from this business it has to be for the people: Not for an individual, for the people. We were seeing an owner of a truck or two making a profit of 100,000 pesos. Do you know how long it takes a prominent surgeon to earn 100,000 pesos in this country? The prominent surgeon must work for approximately 20 years; years of saving lives to earn 100,000 pesos. However, things were even worse. One day I found out, among the many things that I found out while I was gathering information, that someone had earned 300,000 pesos in a year. I am not talking about a small farmer nor someone who owned trucks. He was doing work in the field of culture. Mediators began to appear all over the place. Even the work of the artist, the painters, set decorators, had mediators. Where were we heading along that path? It was clear that we had to make changes. If we had followed that path no one would have believed that we were building socialism. I ask myself whether building socialism means that you need 65 years to build a road? Whether building socialism means that you need 20 years to build a dam; 21 years to build a hydro-massage [hidromaseaje] room? I am not looking for anecdotes; no, no no. Buildings were finished, and there were problems. You would get wet. [sentence as heard] Is this building socialism? I am just mentioning some cases: Building without knowing how much it is going to cost, spending just for the fun of it. Does this serve a purpose? Is this the way to build socialism? Today I can see that the people understand and the masses are the first to understand our attitude. A bureaucrat may stay. He does not care if the problem is resolved or not. Bureaucrats do not care much if there is a day-care center or not. He may be surprised to learn that the city of Havana has six or eight day-care centers which were built in five years. If a bureaucrat has a comfortable house he may not care at all about the hundreds of thousands of homeless people and tens of thousands living in the slums. It is necessary to visit those areas once in a while. I have done it when we were searching for land to build or enlarge a hospital, or similar work. Many times we see that it is good to demolish an entire block of buildings like we did near the Miguel Henriquez Hospital; there we recovered three blocks. We then had to find more than 100 apartments to relocate the people, but they were happy to see this large project under way. In other sectors where we did not enlarge the hospital, people asked if there was no plan for that area. Therefore, a bureaucrat who is settled and is comfortable cares very little about the number of houses built in Havana, which were 4,500 or 5,000. Logically, some of those houses have to be given to the Armed Forces officers because they are on official assignment. So, how many are left for the workers? Four thousand. However, more than 4,000 houses deteriorate each year. How many are left for the workers and the homeless? Do they have any hopes? This is not a true formula to build socialism and this is what we have been stating, now that we have learned out all these problems. We are now very involved in this battle to build true socialsm, something that promises a more just and efficient society. I have realized this, and I feel more encouraged, more secure. I am sure that everyone feels more secure. [applause] We have said: We are now going to build socialism. This is what the phrase means. We will do it by correcting all these outrageous errors. We will build dams in 2 or 3 years, roads in 2 or 2-1/2 years, or 3 years according to the length and place we want to build them. We will build the houses and factories properly. We will make our educational services optimum with all the resources we have, and we will also improve medical services. We will make more investments in factories, and we will get the most out of each hour of work and each peso. Since we want to use the peso as a unit of measurement, we will do so. We will then know that his school costs one million, or 1.5 million even if they charge 3 million. Then we can say, listen: That does not cost 3 million, it costs 2, or 1.5 million. We will implement the mechanism that we have mentioned to measure the efficiency of the work we are doing. If we correct all these things as we plan to, and I am sure we will, and if we overcome all these negative tendencies; we need to struggle, you are aware of it, we must not neglect it, we must struggle until this becomes part of our culture, the form of thought of all of us. [sentence as heard] This is why I have asked the party to hold monthly meetings with the hospital secretaries. This has to be done for at least 10 years until we reach the level where doing things in a certain way becomes part of the culture. This has to be done everywhere. We will do other things later. Right now we are facing...[changes thought] These ideas produced other errors, and the belief that more and more expenses. [sentence as heard] This is how the exchange expenditures increased. Deceived by the numbers, the economy grew. Did the economy grow? Yes it did. We invested 500,000 pesos in that dam [not further identified] it was not exactly 500,000 pesos, but that is the approximate investment. The economy grew 500,000 pesos by building a dam for 20 years. Did other sectors of the economy register growth? The economy registered growth in sectors that generated imports, but not in the sectors that generated exports. Thus, we were deceiving ourselves with those figures. The economy grew. However, at the same time the economy was being ruined. There were some excessive expenditures on some occasions. What is the result of this outrage? We lack this and that. No one was concerned about whether or not the investments were correct, or if this would bring any immediate benefit to the country, if exports would increase, or if this was truly going to guarantee the future and help resolve the problem. Investments were very important for the exports. The increase in the exports [changes thought] a growth in the economy did not help much if it meant that we were importing more raw materials while exports were not increasing. Of course, some events occur in the context of the situation, to which we had to add our foreign debt. It was impossible to obtain any more revenue from that source. We had a hurricane and a drought. We also suffered the effects of other factors, such as the price of oil and the devaluation of the dollar. This decreased the value of the currency with which we purchase goods in other countries. The problem was not that the price of a piece of equipment in the GDR or Japan had increased. The piece of equipment was still worth 500,000 GDR marks. Its price remained the same. The value of the GDR mark increased as the value of the dollar decreased. Consequently, we needed more dollars for the same amount of GDH marks. For instance, if we needed 500,000 prior to the devaluation, we might now need 700,000. The price did not rise, but the value of the currency with which we must purchase this equipment did. This accumulated over time and forces us to make this tremendous effort, as I explained to the students during the FEU [Federation of University Students] meeting. This is a plan that I had outlined with $1.2 billion or $1.3 billion. It even reached $1.5 billion at one time. The plan for 1985 -- I mean the one for 1984 -- included $1.5 billion worth of imports. This was the result of exports and credits. The foreign debt was refinanced. Immediately, agencies skyrocketed their imports. Later, well, $1.2, $1.3 billion. [sentence as heard] Now we had to make a plant with $650 or 700 million, between $600 million and $700 million. But $600 and $700 dollars [as heard] -- that is to say, $1,500 in 1984 was equivalent to $2,000 now. The purchasing power was greater. The value of exports plus credits amounted to $1.5 billion. In 1984, $1.5 billion amounted to $2 billion. In 1987, $700 million is equivalent to $500 million, in 1984. Let us compare this year with 1984. Presently, $700 million has the purchasing power of $500 million in 1984. In 1984, $1.5 billion had the purchasing power of $2 billion now. Our plan has been heroic. This is with one-fourth of the 1985 imports. It takes a great effort to outline a plan like this so that medicine production is not impeded; so that the textile industry is not impeded due to a raw materials shortage; so that the shoe manufacturing is not impeded; so that there can be sufficient feed for poultry; so that we can have eggs, chicken; so that we can continue our swine-raising. Hogs are fed with something more than waste food. We use this for a large portion of our production. The animals require a considerable quantity of fodder as does beef production at certain periods of the animals' lives and at certain ages. The little calves must be nourished. They must be fed. We must get a sizable portion of this fodder through convertible currency. We must get spare parts. We must get a large number of things, up to infinity, with $700 or $650 million, the purchasing power of which is equivalent to $500 million 3 years ago. I tell you that this is really a feat. As I have explained at other times, however, we have suffered catastrophes. Many things have been ensured by the socialist countries thanks to our exports. As I said, this year we suffered a terrible drought. Not until the 21st, when I spoke, did it rain. In some provinces, it rained more than necessary, even accompanied by wind. At least in the west, the drought was stopped short and we were able to [changes thought]. When it stopped, we thought this might improve our climate. In addition, we have little sugar available for export in exchange for convertible securities. We must fulfill our export obligations with the socialist countries. In he past, we suffered droughts and other difficulties. We paid attention first to whatever exports produced revenue. We did not fulfill our export obligations with the socialist countries. We understand that this is not fair, correct, honorable, or worthy. If a catastrophic situation occurs at any given time, we can explain the situation to them. It might be war or a great plague of blight that affected a considerable number of plantations However, failing to fulfill our obligations cannot possibly become a practice, a rule. This happened at the end of 1984 and it is being remedied. So the sugar price is low, sometimes 5 cents more, sometimes 6. How much are six cents worth now? What is the purchasing power as compared to that of 1959? The purchasing power of 6 cents now is 1 cent, not much more. Now, the purchasing power of 6 cents is not worth much more than 1 cent was in 1959. I mean their purchasing power. Well, all of these factors add up. Despite this, at what price do we sell our sugar to the Soviet Union and the socialist countries? At prices much higher than those so-called world market prices, which is the price of the world sugar garbage dump. This is where all the leftovers end up. That cannot even be termed a price. However, those terrible prices determine what the capitalist or nonsocialist countries pay for sugar in convertible securities. It helps us to buy some oil, important quantities of wheat, all the wheat that we need for bread, not the wheat that is to be used for fodder. The wheat imported to be used for fodder is more important than imports for convertible areas. Yet we have solved many problems through our purchases from socialist countries. This helps us. However, does this give us the right to waste fuel? Do we have the right to go all over the place with a tractor, wasting fuel? The price of fuel dropped, and this is another cause of difficulties; but do we have to waste it? A ton of oil can sell for approximately $120, but now it is selling for less than $100, because of the big drop. But must we waste fuel? Must all farms waste tons of it, must everybody waste it? No, this is clear. Can we afford the luxury of keeping the lights on all the time? Can we afford the luxury of wasting resources? Can we afford to fill up a plate with food that will not be consumed by a worker? Can we afford all this? No, we cannot. Now we have to be more efficient than ever because these difficulties, these lean years, must produce corresponding virtues, just as abundant years have corrupted many countries. When the price of a barrel of oil went up from $2.50 to $30.00 entire nations were corrupted. They abandoned agriculture, everything, and dedicated themselves to living off oil revenues. When oil prices went down, they were used to a high standard of living and very costly bureaucracies. We have had resources because of our economic relations with the socialist countries. We have also received credits in the capitalist area. The capitalist loot, steal, buy cheaply, and sell increasingly more expensively. I have explained this very well to the students. They have looted us. On the other hand, they loaned large amounts of money to the Third World countries. This is the reason for the huge debt. We have counted on huge resources, but they have not been used in the best possible way. In recent years this is more true than ever, considering all the things we have been discussing. We cannot secure resources in the form of loans. The capitalist countries no longer lend to Third World countries. Sometimes they lend so that interest can be paid, that is all. You owe me $50 million, 1 will lend you $50 million, pay me the interest due, and the debt increases. This is the mechanism they are using. However, no fresh money is being put out, not one cent is being loaned to resolve situations such as the one we are facing this year and like we may face in years to come. There is no institution from which we can solicit credit. The socialist countries help us very much. The Soviet Union helps us a lot. It helps us solve many problems, but the USSR has also been seriously affected by prices because it is a big exporter of oil and gas and it has suffered big losses and considerable reductions in it foreign exchange income. It is not possible to ask the socialist countries for more. The price they pay for our products are fair. In addition to fair prices we have credits. From where can we get resources? From a better and more efficient administration, and from the best utilization of resources, to turn them quickly into factories, roads, enterprises, useful social works, to promote exports, to substitute imports, to save. We have been saving fuel, without a doubt, for years. We have a surplus because we have conserved. One example we mentioned is the sugar mills. They conserved 500,000 tons [of fuel]. In producing sugar, everybody, instead of paying attention to the boiler, the baggasse for the harvest, and the wood, ignored all this and every time that boiler pressure went down they opened the oil faucet. We have advanced in some of these aspects. We have created conservation awareness, but are we doing our best? How much are we spending on many of these things I have mentioned? How much do we spend on the administration aspect, on the improper use of vehicles for nonwork-related activities and on the improper use of state gasoline for private activities? Are we using resources in the best possible way when we take 15 years to build something? If we are building a factory to substitute imports and it takes us 10 years to build it, it would be better if we could build it in 2 years. We can make our plans more rational and improve them. We can derive resources from the goodwill of our workers -- from the road, cement, child-care center, and house construction workers. We would have the same factories and the same stone and sand quarries, and we perhaps would have to use a little more fuel, but we can save on other things. Now we have to obtain resources from ourselves, from our work. This is the task we have set for ourselves, the task we have had to set for ourselves. We have had to set these tasks not only because the old road way was wrong, but also because of our economic needs. As I said when we held a conversation, this rectification process and struggle against negative tendencies is not just an ideological, moral, or political matter. It is all that, and in a matter of 5 years it can produce billions of pesos for the economy. I am sure that if this process continues, and this was discussed during a council meeting, we will have good reasons for feeling optimistic. We already have those reasons in spite of difficulties. There will be difficulties in one way or another because we have to pay for things with cash, and even if we make a perfect effort there will be delays in the arrival of raw material. There will be problems. We cannot have the illusion that there will not be difficulties, that everything will be smooth, but we are already creating conditions for next year. We have to plant sugarcane in 30,000 caballerias and we have to be more efficient at harvest time. The papers have published that workers say that a sugarmill, I believe the Caracas Agro-Industrial Complex, was leaving 15,000 arrobas in the field. This type of thing must disappear. This is a task for the party, for mass organizations -- especially the labor union -- and the administration. Such things cannot happen. Thus, we must stop leaving 15,000 arrobas on the field. How much is that? Some 25 to 30 percent of the cane, under present circumstances, with the drought and difficulties; we cannot allow this kind of situation. That is the kind of luxury we cannot afford. We must cultivate 30,000 caballerias, because we must step up production in plantations affected by hurricanes and a 2-year drought. This requires a firm, serious, and responsible effort, a round-the-clock effort. In harvesting, we cannot run the risk of encountering a rainy April, because there could be heavy rain on 15 or 17 April when we still have 1 million tons left to harvest. This risk is still present; we could still face problems. That is why by 15 or 20 April, we should have harvested most of the cane, ensuring the highest yield and without leaving any cane behind. This year, we are making a tremendous and serious effort in the cattle-raising field. There are 1.2 million head of cattle. Collection and reprocessing centers are receiving cane shoots and fodder with honey and (?urea). They are hanging in there and, in fact, they are improving, because we have learned to use those cane by-products to feed our cattle; in the meantime we are producing more fodder, plowing more soil, and securing more food for pasture. Perhaps we will always use them. At present, we have 1.2 million head of cattle. This required a serious effort from the agricultural field by men who are feeding the cattle with cane shoots and fodder in collection and reprocessing centers. This is a good solution resulting from need, the drought, and difficulties that were much more serious than last year. Last year, as usual, the workers responded with great efforts to reduce the efforts of [Hurricane] Kate on the harvest to a minimum. It was detrimental, but not as detrimental as the drought was. Of course, it affected our operations, it disrupted them. We lost hundreds of plants in the sugar plantations, which forced us to embark on this task. We must make a great effort this year. This year, we are capable of cultivating 30,000 caballerias. If we have normal rains this year, we will face another situation next year. In each center and agro-industrial complex we must study which problems affect yield, what subjective factors are preventing the maximum exploitation of sugar, and how we can avoid waste of honey, bagasse, or anything else. We must do efficient work. What do we do in agriculture? What about collection and reprocessing centers now that it is being done in agriculture at a national level rather than at a local level? How are resources given them being used? How are they using trucks already delivered and those arriving with petroleum that will guarantee the needs of collection and reprocessing centers until the year 1995? They will receive, among other things, 500 new diesel trucks. Well, we must see how they use them. We must see how resources are ultimately used and how they optimize organization now that private farmers have to look after the cooperatives. How do they promote production despite droughts and hurricanes? In the agricultural field in general, agricultural activities other than sugarcane must make an option effort. How do they promote the cultivation of coffee fields? They are mobilizing agricultural experts and mid-level technicians to achieve that task. How are forest experts working in the search for new timber and taking better care of forests, not only for the present, but also for the future? How does sugarcane agriculture work, that is, under what conditions? How do construction workers work? How does industry work, all industry? That is where our resources are. Can anyone doubt that the subjective conditions are good and favorable? Can anyone doubt that the workers are willing to make a maximum effort? Have they not given extraordinary evidence of that by the way in which they supported the measures affecting them directly? They are similarly affected by public transportation fares, electric power, and other measures involving certain privileges. This happened in agriculture with self-consumption. Self-consumption was established to guarantee cafeterias and food for families; those who used coupon books received a lot of rice in certain cases at the same price or other products at the same time as well. This is a privilege that should not have been created. When these privileges are created, we must face difficulties and affect some people in correcting them. However, the workers have shown an admirable attitude. We have learned that the attitude of workers everywhere is very good. They are willing to be on alert to do whatever they have to; they are waiting to be told what and how to do things, and how they can help. This is socialist awareness, this is communist awareness. They know this belongs to them; they know this is their revolution, system, and economy. They know that everything done will benefit the people and workers. Independently of whether a hospital, school, children's center, factory, sugar field, vegetable field, citrus field, food, transportation, or anything, they know that this is their economy. They ask: Sir, is that troubling the economy? What do we have to do? Well, gentlemen, we have made mistakes. How do we correct Chose mistakes? What do we have to do? How do we fight negative factors? What is my role and my obligations in the struggle against those negative factors? That is the attitude of the workers. That should be the attitude of all. That should be the attitude of administrators as well. Without any contemplation, we will quickly dismiss any administrator involved in tricks, cheating, politicking, demagoguery, crooked deals, and deceit; we will do that as fast as possible. [applause] That is simply intolerable. Not only will militants of the party be involved in this task, but also all workers. The militants of the youth's party could not do it without the support of the workers. If the workers achieve a compact and solid front to face any mistakes and negative factors, then the struggle will be won even before it starts. That is for sure. That is why this meeting is very important; the instructions you take back to the rank and file are very important. Your role is very important. Of course, not all the ideas are totally clear. There are still problems. Bello [not further identified] has been explaining to me about those instances where the rectification was not correct, where the estimate of the norms was not correct, instances where it was not taken into consideration that high salaries could really be justified for certain work, such as was expressed here, or that sometimes high salary is earned for 10 or 12 hours of good work, and it must not be calculated as though it had been 8 hours. There have also been instances where the opposite was true, where in only 4 hours the work could be accomplished and the norm fulfilled over and over. One of the first things we have admitted is that errors have been made in the rectification process. One must correct the errors, and one must correct the errors committed while rectifying the mistakes. It has been said more than once that it is necessary to remain very alert and flexible [applause] -- there should be no confusion here, the ideas are very clear. If a man earns more, if he can earn twice as much by working more, such as the example we have just given, we do not have to concern ourselves. We must not set limits because that would be the easy way out -- it limits production, limits possibilities. That should be made very clear. One must make a distinction between the money squandered or given away the the money earned by honest work and vigorous effort on a worker's part. We should examine those areas where there has been resistance on the part of the administration -- because there has been resistance, because they have applied this formula or that other formula -- there have been areas where it has been more difficult to implement this, especially in activities where work is difficult to measure, but formulas have been sought, and we will continue to seek other formulas. One has seen more goodwill on the part of workers than on the part of the administration, although some sacrifices have been necessary, in some instances tests will be necessary...[changes thought] and not to be afraid when something must be corrected -- just go ahead and correct it to seek the best in all these situations. I was speaking before about the need to analyze all these instruments and how they should be used, and to analyze well the problem of profitability. The time has come in the course of this rectification, after we have fought to correct the norms -- a battle we must continue -- and it is a very complex, difficult problem which requires much firmness on the part of the people and much integrity on the part of the policymakers and the administrators, on everyone's part -- also on the part of the labor union cadres -- to defend what is just, to set forth what is just in each case, and then that battle, as we were saying, must continue to determine, especially where norms are concerned -- it is a very harsh battle, and there are also other battles, not only mistakes here and there, concerning all the things that we have termed incorrect -- that the time is here for the workers to concern themselves with the problems of the system. One of these problems is the matter of profitability. We must unravel the mysteries of profitability, and say, well, we need this concept of profitability clarified. How can profitability be a measure of efficiency? What are the costs? How much does a thing cost and why? We all know, of course, that a product, beer for instance, has one price when it is produced, a certain value, and another when it is sold. It is sold at a much higher price. Beer, cigars, whatever. That has nothing to do with prices, however. The beer factory has to know what the costs are: raw materials, investment, labor force, energy, water, everything. So, then, what is the cost of the beer? What must it cost? Must the price be high or low, and what factors influence it? How much does an excess of workers, an inflated payroll, time squandering on the part of workers, influence it? We must become cost experts. [applause] That also means that the State Commission for Prices must investigate very deeply the costs so that we may ask them how much a spare part costs? They will tell us right away, at once, so many tons of this of this or that, so many hours of work, so much effort, so much equipment, so much fuel -- this is what it cost -- plus, of course, the value created by this effort, which signifies such and such a percentage of same. There are times when one measures, when one wants to measure something and has no point of reference. Well, one can take the international price, as 1 did with royal jelly. Tell me what the international price of royal jelly is. Sometimes one cannot use the international price because there is a more advanced technology in the world or because those factories are more developed, with higher production, and we are working with an old factory which we cannot close because if we close it we are left without anything. Then, we much say: What can the rational price be, given a factory in such technical conditions? So our concepts of profitability are only relative if we do not take all these factors into consideration. There may be a factory which has a good wholesale price for its product and is using a good technology, and there may be another factory which looks like it is ruining the country and still it is making more efforts than the first one. As a result, the second factory is perhaps not bringing in profits, because the state forces it to buy raw materials at one price and then sell the finished product cheaply. In that case one must subsidize the product, and not the factory, because if one subsidizes the factory, one is subsidizing a factory which does not bring in profits. And why does it not produce profits? Because the state has issued a decree which has turned it into an unprofitable factory. So, with all these problems, I started to worry even more when I read -- I think it was on the paper TRABAJADORES, and I take this opportunity to say that I like the workers' newspaper more each day [applause], with its new format and its contents; it has more information each day about the problems of industry, production, various subjects, with much seriousness. It is very useful for us, it is very useful for me. And the newspaper was discussing the textile factory of Ariguanao. And it stated -- I am almost sure it was TRABAJADORES -- it stated the workers of Ariguanao have had a tremendous success, the workers of Ariguanao have a high percentage of workers directly in production -- I think it mentioned 87 percent, the leadership is only about 2.2 or 3 percent -- I do not know how many technicians, and so forth. They have been able to produce 55 million square meters -- that is, almost over 90 percent of its designed capacity -- and they have reduced their losses to 2 million [unit not identified]. All this is strange. How can a factory which increased its number of workers and reached its projected levels of production be losing 2 million? Why? One should wonder if they have low efficiency levels during the day, and if the factory is operating well, despite roof and ventilation problems. I know they have to put tents over the machines when it rains. Who knows how many years they have spent doing this, working in these conditions. Why the losses if the factory is working well? There is something wrong there. Economists should visit the plant and study all those details. What factors make a factory unprofitable if it is operating well? It is an interesting problem if we wish to speak about profitability and if we wish to use profitability as a means to measure efficiency. What are our costs of production? We must analyze the factors that determine costs. We must review the prices that are paid. We must measure the technical level of the factory, if it is behind technically. If workers are able to reduce expenditures and costs to a minimum, it would help. Maybe a factory loses because the prices that are paid are arbitrary. A factory loses when it is forced to sell at a lower price than the costs of the raw materials. We must be prepared to report on the conditions of each of the factories regarding costs. We must be aware of the problems that determine their profitibility. This would bring great economic knowledge to workers. Sometimes a factory is unprofitable because of its technological level, but the country needs to keep it running because it does not have any other place for the workers. We cannot create social problems. We cannot retire people to reduce personnel. Workers must be aware of the problems. They must know what the costs are in their factories. They must know why their factories are profitable or not. Because if subjective factors are to blame, they must begin fighting against those factors. If objective factors are to blame, then they should include them in their report so we can exchange the machine for a newer one when we can. If a factory cannot be profitable under one set of objective conditions, we should change them. We must be aware of all these things, and we must be able to deal with them if we want to know whether a factory is efficient or not. If we do not know the costs, if we do not know all the factors, and if we do not introduce changes in the system, we will not know whether we are being efficient or not. I have asked our sugar industry comrades to tell my why most agro-industrial plants are not profitable. I said, tell me if it is because they have an excess number of workers, if they are not being used efficiently, if resources are not used efficiently, or if additional costs were added on to their original estimates. Tell me why. And tell me if there is an agro-industrial plant that is profitable. Why is one profitable and another one not, I asked. We must detect the subjective inefficiencies to fight them and correct them. The ministry and each of the plants' workers must know about them to correct the inefficiencies. At one time it was said that the operation was not profitable because spare parts were too expensive and that possibly spare parts salesmen were getting rich. This situation adversely affected the sugarcane industry. We must review all of these factors to determine how the lack of organization, the administration, the inefficient use of the working day, the excess number of workers, indirect labor, old technology, and objective factors are adversely affecting factories. We must also know what adverse factors are of an objective nature so that we may analyze the situation, because if we simply say: This factory works well because it is profitable, we should applaud it, and this one works poorly, it in unprofitable, we should criticize it, we could be praising one that produces profits easily and criticizing another that we have forced into being unprofitable. We do not get any clear benefit out of this, we do not even find out that we have to change old machines for modern ones. We have to increase productivity and do it now. The workers and the labor unions should not leave this up to the brains, to the enlightened, the technocrats, the superintelligent. All the workers should know the problems of their work centers. This is important. [applause] If the worker does not know what produces profits, he will not be able to do anything and will not be able to help. If we do know profits are produced then we can draw up a program for ourselves. This could be done by the party, or the union, the youth, or by these gentlemen. Then we could say: This factory is old, it is unprofitable, but if we do this and that, the factory will not lose a penny. We could also reduce operations and then we can say: This factory used to spend this or that amount, we were losing this or that amount, and we have reduced to 1 million [no currency specified] what used to be 5 million in losses. And we have to speak out and say: Its technological level is not high enough. We could say: This other factory turned a 6 percent profit. This second factory, however, did not do a good job because the technology it has at its disposal, its possibilities, would allow it to obtain a higher percentage. It should have had a 10 or 15 percent profit, had it eliminated this or that. This way we would be implementing economic knowledge. We cannot live off lies and myth. This is one of your tasks. I am taking advantage of this meeting to ask workers to get interested in this. You do not have to rush into it, but start thinking about the factors that determine profits and losses, and let's turn our mechanisms into efficient assistance for economic leadership and efficiency. Another problem that I wanted to touch here is this: There have been so many salary reforms and so many things. We have had salary reforms that hiked already-high salaries. But I really think that no one remembered the workers who are earning less. Right now, as a result of the measures that have been adopted, we have noticed that there are still quite a few people whose income is under 100 pesos. This is the truth. I have asked Comrade Linares to give information about idle workers. Those who are not idle have other possibilities, although there are workers in auxiliary positions in hospitals and schools... [changes thought] in addition to this we have been considering improving salaries; some salaries have already been increased, such as those of hospital employees, in our search for improved services. Those who work at the leprosarium and similar places used to earn the same as employees who work in different conditions, but the former work under abnormal conditions. We are also considering seniority. The salary of doctors, nurses, technicians, and everybody else has been improved in recent years, but auxiliary workers remained forgotten. There is a surplus of personnel. There is going to be a program to redistribute them. No one will be left out, on the streets. There will be new hospitals and expansions and the number of required workers will increase. Brigades are being organized and useful work is being carried out. Workers who work on a time basis, who have to work an 8-hour day, the unlinked who get paid a salary and do not get paid based on their productivity -- how many of these do we have? How many of these workers earn less than 100 pesos? There are some who can earn less because they work only 4 or 5 hours. I am talking about those who work 8 hours a day for a salary and who are not unlinked. And there are tens of thousands, more than 100,000. Perhaps more than 150,000. How many workers are earning less than 100 pesos, and how much would it cost to hike their salaries to 100 pesos? This does not mean that we could not go for 105 and 110. We will have to review this as we get resources. As we save on one hand we can distribute with the other. The measures that have been adopted were adopted not for the benefit of our internal finances but mainly because of the foreign exchange situation, to save on imports. This is the reason for the measures on milk and rice. To be able to maintain the parallel market we have to hike prices there. This brings revenue. There were the measures on electricity and transportation. These also produce revenue. This way we secured resources to distribute among those who were receiving less than 100 pesos from Social Security. Now we can use resources to distribute among workers -- but not among those who earn 500, or 400, or 300, and there are families where three people work and their income is 100 pesos each for a total of 300 pesos, but there are people who only have an income of 100 pesos. We have to carry out a study to hike to 100 pesos the salary of these workers, auxiliary people who have to work 8 hours for a salary. We have to hike that as soon as possible. As soon as the ministry... [applause] I sincerely believe that with the resources resulting from these revenues in future years we must improve the situation of those who have the lowest salaries. The moment will come when we will say: We are not going to make them equal, but we are going to balance them out. If there are workers still making 105 pesos, and we can give them an increase, we could also do it. A construction worker has told that the CTC is unable to retain elevator operators because they make -- I do not know how much -- 85 pesos. Perhaps they would stay for 100 pesos. We do not know. They stay 3 days then leave. Some comrade was telling me that construction work helpers make 105. I believe that with whatever we save or collect as a result of the measures, we should selectively improve some of these salaries, starting from the lowest, because it is becoming a headache to find personnel to perform some jobs. The salary reform hiked the higher salaries. This of course, makes evident a certain mentality: I am going to ignore humble workers. This is characteristic of people who do not care about the problems of humble workers, of people who easily resign themselves to larger inequalities in society. We cannot go the way of equal salaries because that would go against the proposition of each according to one's abilities and work. But how can we establish fairness in salaries, really? If one does not have great intellectual capabilities or the energy of a port worker, then some workers need a large dose of self-denial and a spirit of sacrifice. There are those comrades who do the cleaning and sweeping in the hospitals. I appreciate the surgeon who does transplants, the specialist, and if in addition to this he is a professor, he should make 350 or 400 pesos. This is proper. But I cannot undervalue other human beings -- workers who carry out difficult jobs -- and forget their material needs. We must at least show them that society appreciates their work; otherwise, we will soon fall into a society of hierarchies with a series of social categories. We would then be revising capitalism. We must improve this a bit. Of course if there are a million of them, you could say: Wow! 1 million, 10 pesos more would mean 100 million, 120 million a year. The situation may be what we do not have those kind of resources. I believe that in the framework of the principle that each must receive according to one's work, income cannot be equal although some may have more needs than others. We must not fall through our salary policy into this sort of historic forgetfulness in which we have been falling; we must improve this policy. These people have to pay electricity, bus fares, lunch. We have to analyze the situation. When we estimate our revenues and savings, we will see what potential we have to rectify some of these injustices. We can call them injustices, this forgetting, this situation that involves people who do not do the work of big intellectuals but who carry out honorable, useful, and indispensable work for society. [applause] We have to get used to thinking. Often we believe that this is a problem of big intellectuals, of big theoreticians, of big brains: but these are real and practical problems of life. This is not in books. Let no one think that by taking a course one Marxism-Leninism we know all about the problems we are discussing now or about th situation of the hospital auxiliary employees, of those who do the sweeping in the hospitals, or the schools, or child-care centers. Their problems are not listed in any book or manual. It is not mentioned in classrooms. We study theory in classrooms but we have to implement that theory and the essence of that theory to resolve problems in practice, without falling into idealism or extremist or equalitarianism. You could say: There is no equalitarianism. That is right, there is no equalitarianism. That does not correspond to the phase we are going through. We are not in communist phase. However, by saying there is no equalitarianism, we could resign ourselves to some making 85 pesos while others make 850. We could ask: Is this fellow's work 10 times more important than the other's? Worse yet, there is the case I mentioned of a fellow who was earning 50,000. I wonder: Is his work 500 or 600 times more important than he who sweeps floors? What about someone who earns 100,000? You could wonder: Is this fellow's contribution to society more than 1,000 times important than that of the other fellow? We do nothing and he earns 100,000; or 1,000 here, 1,000 there. Do we have any moral right to resign ourselves to this situation of one making only 85? Of course, if you get used to the idea of someone making 85,000 -- and you think that is wonderful, success -- you certainly are not going to remember someone who makes 85. I think we are getting into the essence, into what is ours, [applause] analyzing our problems, our concepts, and our ideas. We do not have to tell anyone how to build socialism, but we have the obligation to well ourselves how we have to build socialism in our society. If our people have been prepared to defend socialism because of its justness, in spite of mistakes and negative tendencies, would not the people be prepared to defend superior values related to the concept of socialism? Undoubtedly, we will be ready to do it, and why not? We are a small island. It must not be very difficult to resolve our problems. The people are happier now: Let them give us good solutions. This is a good solution; we are applying it; it produces results. We not only have materiel production; we also have services. In the services area, it is not possible to link production and work-hours [vinculaciones]. That would be very difficult to do. Services include multiple occupations, stimulus for those on irregular schedules, fair salaries. It is impossible to make such links. How could we establish such a link for a surgeon here? Of course, if you abuse the idea, one could end up establishing this link, and what are surgeons going to do? Ten operations every hour, or every 5 hours, or 6 hours? Why are we going to change the concept and link the family or hospital doctors? What we want to have is a well-trained doctor, one with awareness; one committed to his work, to his patients, to his neighbors; one who will do a good job. Imagine how many bookkeepers we would need to keep track of how many patients a doctor saw so that we pay him at the end of the month! You cannot have a link there. It is difficult. What we must demand is good training and quality. In the services areas, I have offered the defense field as an example. How can we pay an officer who has been on two, three, four, or five internationalist missions? Gentlemen, do you think we can tell him: Look, for so many years, this; for the internationalist mission, that. Can we? This is another work concept. It is a communist concept. We must instill this in the doctor, in the soldier, in those who are engaged in important activities. Everybody knows it would be ridiculous -- and a soldier would be terribly offended -- if we were to tell him: Look, we are going to pay you according to the number of people you kill in combat; and to a commander: We are going to pay you for the number of victories. Society expects a certain behavior from them. Good pay and social consideration is fair, yes. It would be idealistic to ignore the need for establishing the link wherever production. can be specifically measured, but in activities where tremendous physical efforts and will is required, it would be idealistic to establish the link. That would be a mistake. We are far away from that yet. I think that some day we will have that kind of man, if we do not forget the role of the party, of awareness, of education, of revolutionary culture. If we do not forget that, someday we will have that man, the same way we have that kind of attitude in these military men, in doctors, in teachers. Those people function based on another concept. Political work is what is needed there. The party has a broad job in society. If there were an increase in the number of employees in the services area -- and I refer to economic services, such as those provided by an automobile mechanic, a service that has a material essence -- and intellectual services, this situation cannot be resolved by these types of mechanisms. We have to understand things as they are. So many years cannot have passed by in vain. We have to have more maturity, more experience, more ability to think. This is what I have been saying: You have to think about these things. Workers have continued to think about these things. Labor cadres must think about these things, which they will not find in either books or theory. This is how we will gradually enrich our practice and theory in the construction of socialism. I do not know when the next congress is scheduled. Is this so? [He asks someone, who then answers: "Yes."] We still have 2 years to go. Let us see how many responses we can get and how far we have progressed by then. We have already committed ourselves with Pedro in our participation in the construction congress. It is more important that 500 workers be prepared to tackle this challenge and situation. A meeting is always held Thursday or Friday. But let them, however, have clear solutions for the next CTC congress so we can have a historical congress, with the ability to find theoretical and practical solutions to the problems that have been presented here. Labor movements need not to worry about salary and living conditions, which are so important for the labor movements. This labor movement is not a simple professional organization. It is a mass, political organization. Socialism has been called in to play a more important role in its responses, considerations, analyses, and solutions. Regarding this problem of socialism, I recommend that you be certain in which party you have the greatest strength. [applause] In this battle, we must correct mistakes and seek and correct their negative consequences, for the construction of socialism and communism in our homeland. [applause] Homeland or death, we will win. -END-