-DATE- 19890307 -YEAR- 1989 -DOCUMENT_TYPE- INTERVIEW -AUTHOR- F.CASTRO -HEADLINE- CASTRO INTERVIEWED ON DEBT, DOMESTIC ISSUES -PLACE- PALACE OF THE REVOLUTION -SOURCE- QUITO EL COMERCIO -REPORT_NBR- FBIS -REPORT_DATE- 19890323 -TEXT- Castro Interviewed on Debt, Domestic Issues PA2203210389 Quito EL COMERCIO in Spanish 7 Mar 89 p A-2 [Report by Mayra Clavijo on interview with President Fidel Castro in the Palace of the Revolution in Havana on 12 February] [Text] The end of the visit was approaching and the much-desired interview had not taken place. I was part of a group of journalists on a tour of Havana, and we could not imagine ending the visit without first having met Fidel. Finally, on Sunday 12 February 12 2100, the commander received us in the Palace of the Revolution. Ivan Ona, a colleague who now works in Havana as press attache for the Ecuadoran Embassy, had contacted Cuban Foreign Ministry officials to arrang the meeting. He had also arranged a reception in his home. As it turned out, no one was able to go to Ona's reception because Fidel held us spellbound for 5 hours with a fascinating, fluent, and passionate discourse on the revolution, the foreign debt, combined efforts among Latin American countries, perestroyka, and the improvement of relations between his country and Ecuador and Venezuela. The meeting ended at 0200. It was the end of a busy day at Varadero Beach, and later, to chase away our fatigue, we spent 5 hours at the Palace of the Revolution but never felt sleepy. We left satisfied. All the journalists spoke about the issues that concerned them during the almost 1-week-long visit to various places on the island. Commander Fidel Castro passionately discussed the issues. He also spoke about savings campaign. Castro said that as a result of a savings measure, the state is able to seize what could be regarded as excess money in the hands of the people. He said that this way the people will save, knowing that their money is saf in a bank and that it is not being devalued. He said that the people know that in Cuba there is no 200- or 300-percent inflation as there is in other countries and that if they have saved 30,000 pesos, the value of that money will not diminish. Not everything resembles a paradise. Fidel, confronted by the journalists, admitted that young people as well as adults approach tourists around hotels to try to buy dollars or items sold in the stores that serve only foreigners. This is an endless battle, he said. The commander of the revolution said that there are people who send their money to the United States and that harsh measures are not enough to stop that. He said: We could not imprison all those people. Fidel underscored the achievements made in the housing sector, which provides thousands of jobs to Cubans employed in the massive construction projects that take place after normal business hours. Those who work these projects are afforded preference in the assignment of living quarters, for which they pay only 6 percent of their salaries. The workers try to conserve as much construction material as possible. The Cuban head of state spoke enthusiastically about health issues, because the health field is where the revolution has made some of its greatest achievements. Regarding the foreign debt, the commander confirmed Cuba's position that it cannot be paid and that the situation in Cuba is similar to that in other countries. Cuba has been unable to pay either the principal or the interest for the past 3 years. Socialist countries are facing a different situation because debt renegotiations are endemic to the socialist system. Fidel believes that at first there was no support for the hypothesis that it was impossible to pay the debt but now the situation is different. Fidel Castro said: The debtor countries are struggling for a common solution, and it looks as if our position is beginning to gain ground. He attributes this progress to the fact that the problem is increasingly grave, that not even oil-exporting countries such as Venezuela can pay the debt without depleting their foreign exchange reserves given the fact that they are simultaneously facing other difficult economic problems. Using colloquialisms, Fidel multiplies and divides figures. Take 8,000 and multiply it by the value of the dollar in 1981, compare it to the value of 1988, and you will be able to see the reduced amount Venezuela now receives for its exports. Consequently, its problems have increased, Fidel says. He is an expert on the subject, and his use of so many figures makes us quite dizzy. Commander Fidel Castro pointed out that the economic situation is serious. It is much more serious than in 1985, and therefore he believes that governments will unite in a common struggle out of necessity. It is a necessity, he reiterated. Necessity will bring about this miracle. Only the crisis can cause this miracle to happen, Castro said. The Latin American leader was asked how recent events in Chile and Paraguay and the changes of government in Ecuador and Venezuela will affect the efforts to achieve regional unity. "I believe," he said, "that they will have a positive effect." Not everything, of course, will have a positive effect. There is the case of Chile, where one finds it very difficult to agree with Pinochet. His political ideas and his lack of a spirit of cooperation with the rest of Latin America makes it very difficult. A democratic opening in Chile would help, he added. Fidel Castro said that in Paraguay we still cannot cry victory. We hope that the people will struggle to achieve democratization. The first steps that have been taken do not lead in that direction. There is a tendency to preserve the status quo. Castro added that all new governments should be given an opportunity, no matter how small, to state their position. However, what we have seen to date--i.e., they [not further identified] have announced quick elections within 90 days--shows that all conditions exist for the continuance of the present system. It is the same system that was fostered under Stroessner. The only difference is that this one has a different leadership and wears a little makeup. Sometimes Fidel uses sharp, ironic expressions and makes us smile with his stories of politicians and thieves. He jumps from one issue to another related issue, and when speaking of a political opening, he refers to Cuba itself and to the invitations he has begun to receive--for example from Ecuador (to the inauguration of President Rodrigo Borja). "At that time," he said, "something happened that will not happen again. the heads of state were invited for the first time to Mexico. Then came the invitation to Venezuela." According to Castro, this shows more openness, an important change. This is contributing to greater concerted efforts, which had to be made because life demands it, he said. Commander Castro then realized what time it was and ended his remarks. What was supposed to be a short conversation turned out to be a long interview. "I will be with you for a little while longer, but you will the have to go eat something, and I have other matters to attend to." It was about 0200 in the morning the Commander Fidel Castro still had work to do. Of course we asked ourselves when he slept and when he ever got tired because he still looked "fresh." Before leaving the Palace of the Revolution, we sat on the table and held an informal chat with Fidel. The commander became concerned over the child of one of our companions in the group. He asked someone to lay him on a couch and to take care of him. He learned that the child had a health problem and he immediately had the child receive medical treatment in one of the medical centers. It was an unforgettable and enriching experience for the young journalist. -END-